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The Minimum Wage Is Stuck at $7.25; It Should Be $21.16 — or Higher

America’s minimum wage was raised to $7.25 per hour on July 24, 2009.  It’s still there.  Unlike almost all other federal benchmarks, the minimum wage is not updated for inflation.

The minimum wage reached its (inflation-adjusted) historic high in 1968, when it was raised from $1.40 to $1.60 per hour.  Adjusted for inflation using the BLS online inflation calculator that would come to $10.55 per hour in 2012 dollars.

That $10.55 figure is the focus of a nationwide campaign organized by the National Employment Law Project (NELP).  In today’s political climate it would certainly be a major accomplishment to achieve a $10.55 minimum wage.  But $10.55 is still far too low.

Using 1968 as our benchmark for the minimum wage implies that low-wage Americans today should be making just as much as low-wage Americans were making 44 years ago.  That benchmark is — frankly — ridiculous.

Can you imagine Americans of 1968 settling for a minimum wage standard of living that had been set based on 1924 standards?  What about 1880 standards?  At some point we should expect low-wage workers to start living better than they used to.  Don’t low-wage Americans deserve to live in the 21st century, not the mid-20th?

Can you imagine Americans of 1968 settling for a minimum wage standard of living that had been set based on 1924 standards?  What about 1880 standards?  At some point we should expect low-wage workers to start living better than they used to.

A better way to update the minimum wage is to benchmark it to personal income growth in the economy as a whole.

Per capita real personal income excluding current transfer receipts — that is, the personal income earned in the economy, excluding Social Security and other government programs, adjusted for inflation — has grown by 100.6% since 1968.

In other words, the NELP has it too low — by half.  If our standard for minimum wages had kept pace with overall income growth in the American economy, it would now be $21.16 per hour.

Yes, had the US income distribution and US standards of decency remained exactly what it was in 1968, the minimum wage would now be $21.16 per hour.

I grew up on the idea that America stood for progress, continual progress toward a better society.  Even a $21.16 minimum wage wouldn’t represent progress.  It would mean socially standing still, just with better technology and higher productivity levels.  Progress would mean a minimum wage in excess of $21.16 per hour.

Of course, a minimum wage in the mid-20s is politically inconceivable.  But it is technically, economically, and socially realistic.  The only reason we can’t have it is the greed of those at the top and the intransigence of those at the near-top.  The only reason we can’t have it is that we don’t want it.

We are not the Americans of 1968.

  • Jimjayhawk

    Sounds great in theory… but is completely irrational and unrealistic. I’ve got 60 hrs post-master’s and 30 yrs in higher education and I don’t make much more than $21 an hour. Minimum wage should be a living wage, but it should also be a wage to motivate people to gain the education and training to be able to contribute more AND earn more. 

    • Eric Merrow

      I totally agree myself.  If the minimum wage were to increase like that, how then will it affect the professionals who have sought higher education and personal betterment. It would then have to increase professionals’ incomes to match that rate of increase proportionally otherwise the ones who earnestly worked for and earned their pay would be unfairly matched and then what incentive is there to reach for higher goals…if the guy who didn’t seek education was allowed to match your income when you worked, payed, and sacrificed time to get where you are now.  This would then mirror ideals of a socialist economy which we know is flawed. Also how would this increase in American minimum wage and possibly professional wages affect trade and global economy?  This is way to unrealistic. 

      • Dan Bolden

        A basic understanding of economics would let you know that a rising tide lifts all boats.  If janitors make $21.16/hr, then you would make more.  It’s surprising that you wouldn’t want that.

        And the idea that the lower-income, less-educated workers HAVEN’T “earnestly worked for and earned their pay” is elitist, ignorant, and quite possibly racist.

        But, as you don’t seem able to comprehend the difference between “to” and “too”, that might be a little over your head.  [/elitism, directed at you]

        PS-”Payed”?  ”Payed?”  Having a little trouble finishing fourth grayed, are we?  You uneducated dolt.

        • http://www.facebook.com/defenestrationofdoug Doug Henning

          $21.16 sounds nice unless a loaf of bread costs $15. You have to peg it to a living wage. Race doesn’t come into it. Prices do.

          • ANONYMOUS

            YOU’RE THE KIND OF STUPID PERSON THAT RICH PEOPLE LOVE BECAUSE YOU HELP THE RICH BECOME RICHER AND PREVENT THE AVERAGE PERSON FROM HAVING A NORMAL DESCENT LIFE

          • Alden

            The rich can only be so far ahead by keeping everyone else down, and thus, is exactly what they have been doing: they exploit everybody they can in the name of pure greed.

        • ANONYMOUS

          EXACTLY, WHICH IS WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING FOR DECADES !!!

      • ANONYMOUS

        YOU’RE AN IDIOT, LACKING IN COMMON SENSE, MEANING THAT BEING ABLE TO MEMORIZE OR MAKE COMPUTATIONS IS NOT THE ONLY THING THAT MARK INTELLIGENCE THAT HAVING AND USING COMMON SENSE IS REAL & ACTUAL DEFINITION OF BEING SMART: OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SEEM TO BE: THE KIND OF IDIOTS THAT INFEST OUR GOVERNMENT AND IN EACH AND EVERY GOVERNMENT & THE POLICE & ALSO COURTS & LAWYERS & DOCTORS & ALSO POLITICIANS & TEACHERS, NONE OF WHOM HAVE ANY REAL COMMON SENSE: MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO INFLATION. EVEN BETTER WOULD BE TO FORCE SAME INCOME TO ALL JOBS AT ALL LEVELS WITH ONE EXCEPTION THAT RAISE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO GO WITH & TO FAMILY/IES WITH PROPORTIONAL INCREASE IN NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT MORE CHILDREN MEANS MORE SALARY ! INCLUDING TO RID OF ALL TAXES, EXCEPT FOR SALES TAX IS THE ONLY MORAL AND LEGAL TAX: PROPERTY TAX IS NOT LEGAL NOR IS ANY OTHER TYPE OF TAX OR FEE INCLUDING FORCE TO PAY TO PARK ONE’S CAR IS ALSO NOT LEGAL NOR IS DOZENS OF LAWS TO MAKE RICH RICHER: THE ENTIRE MEANING ALMOST ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM IS NOT LEGAL MEANS CORRUPTS IN THE WORST WAY IS WHY ONLY ONE TAX IS LEGAL THAT IS SALES TAX INCLUDING NO CHARGING CRAZY % ON CREDIT CARD ELSE TO IF BANKS WANT TO CHARGE % ON CREDIT CARD, THEN THEY [BANKS] CAN NOT GET GOVERNMENT TO FORCE YOU TO PAY FOR COLLEGE TO GET THE WORTHLESS DEGREE TO GET A JOB: IS SIMPLY PAYING BRIBE TO GET A PERMIT TO WORK, SORT OF LIKE TAXI DRIVER DO IN NEW YORK CITY PAY LICENSE TO WORK IS EXTORTION RACKET ! MEANING OUR GOVERNMENT & ALL GOVERNMENTS R SIMPLY MAFIA[S] & THE POLICE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THUGS IN UNIFORM: IS TRUTH !!! INCLUDING MAKE DIESEL ENGINE LEGAL AND THE ONLY OPTION WHILE MAKING THE PETROL ENGINE NOT LEGAL WOULD HELP GREATLY TO REDUCE EVIL & CORRUPTION IN OUR INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT SYSTEM IS INFESTED WITH IDIOTS ! INCLUDING ALMOST ALL POLICE & COPS ARE IDIOTS WITH LITTLE OR NO COMMON SENSE & SAME POLICE PROBLEM IN EACH AND EVERY COUNTRY WHERE STRONG PREY UPON THE WEAK[ER] IS NOT GOOD & USING FAKE LEGAL CODE TO JUSTIFY CRIMINAL ACTIONS & ACTIVITIES LIKE BANKS FORECLOSING ON HOUSES IS NOT LEGAL AND ANY COP[S] OR/AND POLICE THAT ALLOW IT ARE CRIMINALS & SIMPLY THUGS IN UNIFORM WORKING FOR MAFIA[S], LIKE IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK EPISODE WHERE USA IS CONTROLLED BY A DOZEN MAFIAS: REFERRING TO THE ILLUMINATI

    • Dan Bolden

      The fact that you make so little does not mean that the less-educated, less-”deserving” should make less.  It means that you are getting screwed.

      If the minimum wage was a decent wage, then you could leverage your oh-so-precious “higher education” and earn more.  Instead you complain that if the poor are not kept at near-starvation, your precious mediocrity will be threatened.

      Sounds as if you didn’t learn that much in school, after all.

    • ANONYMOUS

      YOU’RE AN IDIOT, THE KIND OF IDIOTS THAT INFEST OUR GOVERNMENT AND IN EACH AND EVERY GOVERNMENT & THE POLICE & ALSO COURTS & LAWYERS & DOCTORS & TEACHERS, NONE OF WHOM HAVE ANY REAL COMMON SENSE: MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO INFLATION. EVEN BETTER WOULD BE TO FORCE SAME INCOME TO ALL JOBS AT ALL LEVELS WITH ONE EXCEPTION THAT RAISE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO GO WITH FAMILY WITH PROPORTIONAL INCREASE IN NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT MORE CHILDREN MEANS MORE SALARY ! INCLUDING TO RID OF ALL TAXES, EXCEPT FOR SALES TAX IS THE ONLY MORAL AND LEGAL TAX: PROPERTY TAX IS NOT LEGAL NOR IS ANY OTHER TYPE OF TAX OR FEE INCLUDING FORCE TO PAY TO PARK ONE’S CAR IS ALSO NOT LEGAL NOR IS DOZENS OF LAWS TO MAKE RICH RICHER: THE ENTIRE MEANING ALMOST ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM IS NOT LEGAL MEANS CORRUPTS IN THE WORST WAY IS WHY ONLY ONE TAX IS LEGAL THAT IS SALES TAX INCLUDING NO CHARGING CRAZY % ON CREDIT CARD ELSE TO IF BANKS WANT TO CHARGE % ON CREDIT CARD, THEN THEY CAN NOT GET GOVERNMENT TO FORGET YOU TO PAY FOR COLLEGE TO GET THE WORTHLESS DEGREE TO GET A JOB: IS SIMPLY PAYING BRIBE TO GET A PERMIT TO WORK, SORT OF LIKE TAXI DRIVER DO IN NEW YORK CITY PAY LICENSE TO WORK IS EXTORTION RACKET ! MEANING OUR GOVERNMENT & ALL GOVERNMENTS R SIMPLY MAFIA[S] & THE POLICE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THUGS IN UNIFORM: IS TRUTH !!!

      • ANONYMOUS

        YOU’RE AN IDIOT, THE KIND OF IDIOTS THAT INFEST OUR GOVERNMENT AND IN EACH AND EVERY GOVERNMENT & THE POLICE & ALSO COURTS & LAWYERS & DOCTORS & TEACHERS, NONE OF WHOM HAVE ANY REAL COMMON SENSE: MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO INFLATION. EVEN BETTER WOULD BE TO FORCE SAME INCOME TO ALL JOBS AT ALL LEVELS WITH ONE EXCEPTION THAT RAISE IN THE MINIMUM WAGE OUGHT TO GO WITH FAMILY WITH PROPORTIONAL INCREASE IN NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT MORE CHILDREN MEANS MORE SALARY ! INCLUDING TO RID OF ALL TAXES, EXCEPT FOR SALES TAX IS THE ONLY MORAL AND LEGAL TAX: PROPERTY TAX IS NOT LEGAL NOR IS ANY OTHER TYPE OF TAX OR FEE INCLUDING FORCE TO PAY TO PARK ONE’S CAR IS ALSO NOT LEGAL NOR IS DOZENS OF LAWS TO MAKE RICH RICHER: THE ENTIRE MEANING ALMOST ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM IS NOT LEGAL MEANS CORRUPTS IN THE WORST WAY IS WHY ONLY ONE TAX IS LEGAL THAT IS SALES TAX INCLUDING NO CHARGING CRAZY % ON CREDIT CARD ELSE TO IF BANKS WANT TO CHARGE % ON CREDIT CARD, THEN THEY [BANKS] CAN NOT GET GOVERNMENT TO FORCE YOU TO PAY FOR COLLEGE TO GET THE WORTHLESS DEGREE TO GET A JOB: IS SIMPLY PAYING BRIBE TO GET A PERMIT TO WORK, SORT OF LIKE TAXI DRIVER DO IN NEW YORK CITY PAY LICENSE TO WORK IS EXTORTION RACKET ! MEANING OUR GOVERNMENT & ALL GOVERNMENTS R SIMPLY MAFIA[S] & THE POLICE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THUGS IN UNIFORM: IS TRUTH !!! INCLUDING MAKE DIESEL ENGINE LEGAL AND THE ONLY OPTION WHILE MAKING THE PETROL ENGINE NOT LEGAL WOULD HELP GREATLY TO REDUCE EVIL & CORRUPTION IN OUR INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT SYSTEM IS INFESTED WITH IDIOTS ! INCLUDING ALMOST ALL POLICE & COPS ARE IDIOTS WITH LITTLE OR NO COMMON SENSE & SAME POLICE PROBLEM IN EACH AND EVERY COUNTRY WHERE STRONG PREY UPON THE WEAK[ER] IS NOT GOOD & USING FAKE LEGAL CODE TO JUSTIFY CRIMINAL ACTIONS & ACTIVITIES LIKE BANKS FORECLOSING ON HOUSES IS NOT LEGAL AND ANY COP[S] OR/AND POLICE THAT ALLOW IT ARE CRIMINALS & SIMPLY THUGS IN UNIFORM WORKING FOR MAFIA[S], LIKE IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK EPISODE WHERE USA IS CONTROLLED BY A DOZEN MAFIAS: REFERRING TO THE ILLUMINATI

    • http://www.facebook.com/remccainjr Edward McCain

      Using your logic, we should *reduce* minimum wage, so people will have even *more* motivation to ” gain the education and training to be able to contribute more AND earn more.”

      I’m not sure *how* the people will be able to afford such training and education, but why worry about such trifles?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rottensquash Channing Shattuck

        And using your implied logic, why not *increase* minimum wage to $100/hr? Why not $1000/hr? More money, more goes back into the economy right? Incentives be damned. Let’s make everyone rich!

        • http://www.facebook.com/kasey.endsley Kasey Endsley

          You sir are an idiot.

        • Alden

          You would do much better in life if you learned some critical and abstract thinking skills.

    • Wgoro

      This just means you too are underpaid. Minimum wage covers lowest standard of living. If wages overall had kept up with productivity, you, me and everyone who works for a living should be getting paid much, much more.

  • Paul

    You need to take a basic economics class. A $21 minimum wage is not viable economically.

    • ANONYMOUS

      ECONOMICS IS A BRAIN WASHING TECHNIQUE OF THE RULING ELITE: THE RIGHT KIND OF LEADERSHIP CAN PREVENT IN-EFFICIENCIES, IS THE ONE MISSING INGREDIENT IN ALL WORTHLESS CONSTITUTIONS, DOES NOT EVER TALK ABOUT NOR CONSIDER HAVING A PROPER & CORRECT LEADER TO LEAD IN THE RIGHT & CORRECT DIRECTION & WITHOUT WASTING THE LIMITED RESOURCES: EXAMPLE: USE OF DIESEL ENGINE IS BETTER AND OUGHT TO BE MADE MORE LEGAL WHILE PETROL ENGINE IS IN-EFFICIENT & OUGHT TO BE BANNED: THE REAL REASON THAT THE REVERSE IS TRUE IS FOR REASON OF FEMINISM, TO GIVE POWER TO FEMINISM, WAS THE REAL REASON PETROL ENGINE WAS MADE LEGAL WHILE DIESEL ENGINE WAS MADE NOT LEGAL, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS: EXCEPTIONS DO EXIST !

      • citizenw

        Where is Adolf when we need him, right?

    • anon

      Why? Australia has ~$16US/hr minimum wage, Sweded has ~$28US/hr minimum wage, what’s the big problem exactly?

  • Bolt_V3

    Raise that to 21, sure. Watch every item on the shelf move up by the same percentage to compensate. Yeah, you’ll have people making three times what they are now… but they’ll be paying three times more for everything they buy. Businesses are not going to take that hit and not raise prices.

    So nothing will change.

    • Ken

      Man, I hate to break it to you, but the items on the shelf have already gone up by that percentage, or haven’t you all noticed that food costs have skyrocketed? None of our salaries are keeping up with inflation. It is just more visible at the lower income levels.

    • anon

      Wrong. People will pay a “market” value regardless of what minimum wage is. Yes prices will go up a little, but not proportionately. A study of any other country except your own (yes, they do exist) will confirm that for you in about 3 minutes, but you’re probably too busy spouting that tired old rhetoric to even bother doing some actual research.

  • t-rex

    So, if the minimum wage rose, and then businesses raised their prices (as if that were their only solution for recovering that money–something tells me it’s not), wouldn’t “personal income growth in the economy as a whole” still rise, leading to an even higher minimum wage, as this article says it should be tied? It seems like the idea is to create an atmosphere where businesses take other measures besides lowering wages.

    • ANONYMOUS

      ANSWER IS SO SIMPLE SIMPLE AS 1 + 1 = 2, THAT IS ALL TO HAVE THE SAME EXACT INCOME, EXCEPT FOR A FEW THAT HAVE COMMON SENSE, SUCH AS MYSELF, WOULD BE GIVEN LIMITLESS SALARY, WHILE ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS WOULD BE GIVEN SAME EXACT SALARY, AND BY THE TERM IDIOT I MEAN THOSE THAT DO NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE WHICH IS 98 % OF THE HUMAN RACE DOES NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE, ELSE ILLUMINATI WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN POWER TO TAKE OVER THE HUMAN RACE. AND, 2ND PART OF SOLUTION IS TO INCREASE SALARY OF FAMILY/IES WITH CHILD[REN], IN PROPORTION TO # OF CHILD[REN] THEY HAVE WOULD BAN ALMOST ALL GAYS & LESBIANS FROM SALARY RAISE OR INCREASE. AND, 98 % OF HUMAN RACE OF ADULTS WOULD HAVE SAME SALARY, IS HOW THE PROBLEM WOULD BE SOLVED IN ONE SINGLE DAY IN HOURS !!! INCLUDING TO IMPLEMENT A DOZEN COMMON SENSE RULES AND LAWS, SUCH AS TO BAN PROPERTY TAX IS ONE OF THOSE DOZEN RULES&LAWS INCLUDING TO BAN MANUFACTURE & SELLING OF ANY CANDY THAT HAS TOXIC LEVEL AMOUNT OF SUGAR IN IT, INCLUDING NO CARAMEL IN IT, IS 2ND RULE OR LAW OF THE DOZEN COMMON SENSE RULES AND LAWS !!!! INCLUDING TO BAN ALIMONY & CHILD SUPPORT & ALLOW POLYGAMY IS HOW TO STOP EVIL FEMINISM, IS TEST BY THE EVIL ILLUMINATI IF HUMANS DESERVE FREEDOMS OR NOT: HUMANS R FAILING TEST, REFERRING TO TEST OF COMMON SENSE. NEW RULING ELITE WOULD BE CREATED, NOT BASED ON MERITOCRACY NOR BASED ON ROYALTY NOR BASED ON STRENGTH NOR ON IQ LEVEL NOR ON LEVEL OF COURAGE NOR ON ATHLETIC ABILITY, BUT RATHER BASED ON LEVEL OF COMMON SENSE: ONE WITH MOST AMOUNT OF COMMON SENSE WOULD BE AT TOP OF THE RULING ELITE CLASS AND THOSE LACKING COMMON SENSE WOULD BE NEAR BOTTOM OF SOCIETY EVEN IF THAT PERSON SEEM TO BE A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST WOULD EARN SAME SALAR THAT OF ALL OTHER WORKERS IF LACKING IN COMMON SENSE, OUGHT TO BE THE ONLY CRITERIA TO WHERE THAT PERSON TO BE IN THE RULING STRUCTURE OF SOCIETY: WOULD ALSO GET RID OF ALL THE BULLY BOSS IN MANAGEMENT THAT HAVE IQ [COMMON SENSE] OF ANIMALS OR BUGS: HUMANS DO NOT VALUE COMMON SENSE IS THE REASON WHY SOCIETY IS SO MESSED UP & GETTING MESSIER MORE SO

      • idiotFinderNumberTwo

        “NOR ON IQ LEVEL…RATHER BASED ON LEVEL OF COMMON SENSE”

        “HAVE IQ [COMMON SENSE]”

        Nice way to contradict your self. Is IQ common sense or not? Maybe you should figure that out.

        I don’t even know how to reply to the rest. My intuition tells me you either have a few screws loose or are very young. In both cases you have a very iffy definition of common sense.

        Just for your reference. the definition of common sense is “Good sense and sound judgment in practical matters”.

        • citizenw

          Squirt that CapsLock key with a little WD-40

  • RM

    I make $20,000/year, before taxes. That’s the most I’ve ever earned, and I’m in my early 30′s. Minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be for 30 year olds like me. They are meant for younger folks who are just starting out. You start out at minimum wage and work your way up within that company, or you start a business or get educated and move on to bigger things. It sucks that minimum wage is so low, but you aren’t guaranteed $10/hour just because you have a job. the real problem is that it’s so expensive to simply LIVE. Rent, car payments, gas, utilities, and basic food is all EXPENSIVE. I live on generic food and cheap veggies, have no rent, and still never have money to save up! The system as a whole is messed up, but raising the minimum wage to $10+ will only cause more economic distress,and low wage earners like me will lose our jobs.

    • ANONYMOUS

      YOU CAN BLAME OUR IDIOTIC GOVERNMENT FOR OBEYING TO IDIOTIC ILLUMINATI WHICH HAVE ALMOST NO COMMON SENSE: IF GOVERNMENTS DID NOT CHARGE PROPERTY TAX, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR SALARY INCREASE NOR WORRY ABOUT DEFAULTING ON LOANS EITHER ! INCLUDING WOULD DECREASE IN DEMAND FOR COLLEGE EDUCATION & WOULD RESULT IN DECREASE IN COLLEGE COST WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER PEOPLE WITH EDUCATION THAT WANT AN EDUCATION RATHER THAN BEING FORCED TO GET AN EDUCATION BECAUSE IT’S THE LAW TO PAY BRIBE $ TO GOVERNMENT IN FORM OF DEGREE TO HAVE RIGHT TO PERMIT TO WORK IS WHAT DEGREE IS PERMIT TO WORK, SORT OF LIKE THE FAKE MARRIAGE LICENSE IS PERMIT TO HAVE SEX IS EXAMPLE OF THE LUNACY OF GOVERNMENT: IS WHY THE ONLY 2 REAL POLITICAL PARTIES ARE LIBERTARIAN & ANARCHIST: OUGHT TO BE IN ALL COUNTRIES TO RID OF ALL OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES & FOR USA TO RID OF REPUBLICANS & DEMOCRATS WORK FOR THE SAME MAFIA ORGANIZATION OF ILLUMINATI

  • Sprad4

    Excellent analysis of income inequality. We are bloated at the top, and unfortunately the CEO’s set their income at astronomical rates which are unnecessary and exorbitant. None of them are worth those obscene amounts of money. Money is like manure: if you spread it around it makes things grow, but if you pile it high it stinks to high heaven.

    • ANONYMOUS

      EXACTLY: I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR DECADES: IT SEEMS THAT ONLY 2% OF HUMAN RACE HAS COMMON SENSE, WHILE THE OTHER 98 % R IDIOTS, IS WHAT PEOPLE R, WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMICS AND POLITICS & DOING THE RIGHT THING & TO WHAT TO ALLOW AND NOT ALLOW INCLUDING GREATLY REDUCING POWER OF COPS AND POLICE ARE GIVEN POWER OF THE GODS TO THEM IS WHY ALMOST ALL COPS & POLICE ACT LIKE THUGS IN UNIFORM: SAME RESULT IN ALL COUNTRIES, BECAUSE ALL COUNTRIES R RULED BY TH AME EVIL MAFAI ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATE CARTEL ILLUMINATI R BUNCH OF ZIONIST & IDIOT SAVANTS WHO WANT TO CRATE BLISS BUT HAVE NO COMMON SENSE IS WHY THE ILLUMINATI FAIL EACH & EVERY TIME TO CREATE BLISS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE & THAT ALSO GOES FOR REST OF THE HUMAN POPULATION ALSO LACK COMMON SENSE SINCE HUMANS GIVE LIMITLESS POWER TO ILLUMINATI TO CREATE BAD LAWS TO HUMANS THEN WONDER WHY ? THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION WAS FAKE & IS FAKE & MEANT TO BE FAKE BUT GULLIBLE PEOPLE DO NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE OF PROPAGANDA IS HOW ROTHSCHILDS TOOK OVER THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND THE SAME WITH WITH ALL COUNTRIES BY DECEPTIVE CONSTITUTIONS R MEANT TO GIVE POWER TO THE ROTHSCHILDS R BUNCH OF ZIONIST IDIOT SAVANTS

      • Alden

        A lot of the populous aren’t really idiots. They are just so focused on how to pay for their rent and eat a decent meal every day, they don’t have time to focus on making their lives better, or to be able to notice whats going on in politics, and thats exactly what the rich douchebags want so they can push things through legislation that reinforced this system of exploitation.

        However, the rest of the populous who distract themselves with sports and choose to ignore the world around them are indeed very stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/flowerpot504 aboveTHEclouds

    If minimum wage earners earned $50.00 an hr. they would remain minimum wage earners and thus will not experience an increase in goods and services; on the contrary, some will receive less. The more money in circulation, the more owners will charge for goods and services negating any salary increase.

    • ANONYMOUS

      NOT IF EVERY ADULT EARNING HAD SAME EXACT INCOME, EXCEPT FOR FAMILY/IES WITH CHILDREN, THOSE FAMILY/IES OUGHT TO BE GIVEN LARGER SALARY, PROPORTIONAL TO # OF CHILDREN THEY HAVE, WOULD BAN ALMOST ALL GAYS AND LESBIANS FROM ANY KIND OF SALARY RAISE WOULD SOLVE 77 % OF ALL ECONOMIC PROBLEMS OVER-NIGHT IN A DAY: THIS IS THE POWER OF COMMON SENSE IF HUMANS ONLY HAD COMMON SENSE IS LACKING IN HUMANS ARE ONLY SLIGHTLY SMARTER THAN BUGS

      • IdiotFinder

        The biggest idiot of them all going around calling others idiots. Thanks for the entertainment!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Natalie-A-Sera/743004321 Natalie A. Sera

        DON’T reward having more children! The world is grossly overpopulated as is. Concentrate on keeping the birthrate low, and then take good care of the children who are born. Let them be healthy, educated, and happy, and appreciate every person who is doing a job that has to be done. An honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work. Yes, some differential, but not the gross one that we’re currently seeing.

  • http://twitter.com/rustylongwood Rusty Longwood

    You’re making the ridiculous assumption that adjusting for inflation from one period to another only allows people to live at the standard of living of that previous period. That’s absolutely and completely false. While basic amenities such as food and power have matched inflation, the luxuries and technological advancements which have increased the standard of living so much have actually fallen substantially relative to inflation. A week’s minimum wage salary today can buy an internet connected laptop thousands of times more powerful than the world’s most powerful, warehouse-filling super computer in 1968. You can buy an 82 inch DLP 3D HDTV today for less than the greatest 23-inch color tube TV in 1968 after inflation! The cost of a new subcompact car in 1968 can get you a new subcompact today- but with all sorts of standard features like an automatic transmission, power steering, air-conditioning, CD players, power doors, power windows, front and side airbags, crumple zones, seatbelts, close to double the horsepower, twice the fuel efficiency, often an expected lifespan of 200,000 miles which would have been entirely unheard of in 1968! Ordinary Walmart workers can afford iPhones and iPads, technology not even the richest businessmen 20 years ago could have had! Our gas is unleaded, our homes are no longer covered in lead paint, many of our appliances use half the energy they used just 20 years ago. A wage adjusted for inflation leads to a higher standard of living over the years, not a lower one! To say that wages have to increase faster than inflation in order to allow for a higher standard of living is simply false. Further increasing minimum wages only incentivizes companies to either move jobs overseas or to invest more into downsizing or replacing their labor force with robots.

    • ANONYMOUS

      YOU DO NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE: DO YOU KNOW THAT A BOTTLE OF ROASTED PEANUTS IS NOW $ 6 TO $ 9 FOR BOTTLE OF ROASTED PEANUTS

  • Freeloader Bob

    A minimum wage of $22/hr would not only redistribute wealth to the people who created it, it would also force up all other wages which would truly be a rising tide that lifts all boats.

  • Engineering student

    Think of everything as relative. If it costs $4X to hire an employee to flip burgers the burger will now cost roughly 4x more. Or the burger company will no longer be prophitable. This means your burger flipper still has the same amount of buying power he had before. The only thing that changes is that his meager retirement account is now worth 4x less than its previous value.

    When I worked at mcd’s minimum wage was 5.15 and an average meal was $4. Now minimum wage is 7.78 (colorado) and a Big Mac meal is now roughly 7.50.

    Yes there is some lag involved in the price hike vs minimum wage hike. However, the only thing accomplished is that incentive to save your money is greatly reduced.

    It’s cool to look like your backing the “poor” but make sure your really doing them a favor before patting your self on the back.

    Yes I do have a bias as someone perusing a high paying career, but I have worked minimum wage I am also not opposed to searching for jobs in greener pastures.

    • Anon

      That’s not even true. Here, in Aus, the minimum wage is $16/hour and a big mac meal costs $8. Stick to engineering and don’t bother commenting on economics until you properly educate yourself on it.

    • samuel

      Its Because the Rich don’t wan’t to loose a Penny by giving better standar life its alsoe mean to not do 5 milion a year but rougly 3 ,6 million lolll oh no i won’t have the new bentley because of this lolll

  • http://www.facebook.com/kug.wilkins Paul Wilkins

    No one deserves a certain wage. You work hard and make more, or you work just enough to survive. Mediocrity should not be rewarded.

    • anon

      Except we don’t live in a world where hard work pays the most, we don’t even live in a world where innovation is rewarded proportionately.

  • Let’s look at the real issue

    In my opinion, the point here is being missed. Many of you make the argument that if minimum wage tripled, the price of products would also triple, yielding a net change of roughly 0%. HOWEVER, that assumes that minimum wage is the only thing being altered. What if we bumped up minimum wage and, instead of companies increasing prices to compensate, reduced the payroll of the CEO’s who make over 380x (http://www.aflcio.org/Corporate-Watch/CEO-Pay-and-the-99/CEO-to-Worker-Pay-Gap) the amount of the average employee. I know this seems idealistic, but reducing this absurdly high wage gap (the highest in the world) is the most reasonable way to even out the distribution of wealth in America.

    • http://twitter.com/LOLatGOP LOLatGOP

      “the price of products would also triple, yielding a net change of roughly 0%”

      Not necessarily. Companies who took this route could be squeezed out in the market by companies who instead, shifted to the new reality by lowering CEO and other executive pay and provided more competitive prices than their counterparts who simply shifted the cost on to their products.

      http://vscdn.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CEO_Worker-pay-ratio.jpg

  • gerry busey

    im fairly certain the anonymous typing in ALLCAPS is certifiably insane. damn!

  • Dave McAnally

    This is what happens when sociologists attempt to meddle in economics as some kind of source of authority. We’ll ignore this author’s obvious disregard for the fact minimum wage is essentially a labor cost input (which is like, ignoring that the sun rises in the east I know) and focus on his so-called metrics. US Standard of Decency? Is this an economic metric? Please, tell me more about this index! I want to hear all about how a person in 1968 making minimum wage would feel the person in 2013 making minimum wage (who happens to have a cell phone an ipod and this “internet” thing) has such a greater standard of decency. I also see you’ve equated a higher minimum wage with higher productivity (a bold assertion). I suppose to you, the 1970′s/early-80′s auto industry was on the up and up and the Japanese had it all wrong right? Look dude, I appreciate that you have an audience of people who want to hear you blather on about how artificially propping up broke people will somehow make them wealthier, but proclamations like this from people in the educational world really should come with caveats or something. If you triple minimum wage, prices will triple. Nobody is any better off, you’ve just devalued what that person making minimum wage can actually go buy with their 21 dollars. And even then, he doesn’t care about mortgage or interest rates. He just wants to raise enough money to buy a bus ticket to burning man.

    • Jeff

      When economics is NOT meddled with by sociologists, all you end up with is a cost-efficient-but-technically-ineffecient society rife with greed, corruption, over-consumption, hate, fear and depression WELL beyond what “human nature” would otherwise dictate. You end up with oil companies tearing apart anything and everything to get to cost-efficient oil. You end up with corporations producing nothing except profits for shareholders, and things like lowering minimum wages and outsourcing jobs just comes from the fact that greed and indifference to human suffering is actually REWARDED in our current system. You end up with a 3-month lifespan on most consumer products, you end up with manufacturers DELIBERATELY DESIGNING THINGS TO FAIL, with little to no ability to repair or recycle goods.

      Fortunately, Dave, sociologists have a MUCH better understanding of REAL economics (not just supply&demand monetary economics but actual resource management) and continue to meddle enough to make sure that human beings are treated with some form of dignity. Is it not enough that millions of people have to compete for meaningless jobs and the uniformity that comes with them (mostly jobs which could be done by robots now anyway), you want them to not have the ability to afford to live respectably? I mean, have a look at the high paying jobs now anyway. The so-called “bettering yourself” concept to get paid more breaks down when you have bankers ruining lives with unethical tactics, lawyers constantly trying to circumvent the law with precedents and loopholes, doctors prescribing people with medication they don’t need because of kickbacks, people in marketing successfully brainwashing people into buying utter garbage that should never have been invented in the first place, and the list goes on and on and on and on. The people who get paid the most are actually the ones contributing the least to society, and the entire human race (for the most part). It’s time to re-think what you’ve been taught and have a decent look around before speaking about things you do not fully understand.

    • Guest

      When economics is NOT meddled with by sociologists, all you end up with is a cost-efficient-but-technically-ineffecient society rife with greed, corruption, over-consumption, hate, fear and depression WELL beyond what “human nature” would otherwise dictate. You end up with oil companies tearing apart anything and everything to get to cost-efficient oil. You end up with corporations producing nothing except profits for shareholders, and things like lowering minimum wages and outsourcing jobs just comes from the fact that greed and indifference to human suffering is actually REWARDED in our current system. You end up with a 3-month lifespan on most consumer products, you end up with manufacturers DELIBERATELY DESIGNING THINGS TO FAIL, with little to no ability to repair or recycle goods.

      Fortunately, Dave, sociologists have a MUCH better understanding of REAL economics (not just supply&demand monetary economics but actual resource management) and continue to meddle enough to make sure that human beings are treated with some form of dignity. Is it not enough that millions of people have to compete for meaningless jobs and the uniformity that comes with them (mostly jobs which could be done by robots now anyway), you want them to not have the ability to afford to live respectably? I mean, have a look at the high paying jobs now anyway. The so-called “bettering yourself” concept to get paid more breaks down when you have bankers ruining lives with unethical tactics, lawyers constantly trying to break the law with precedents and loopholes, doctors prescribing people with medication they don’t need because of kickbacks,

  • Pumpkinmedic

    Instead of being jealous of what a CEO makes, why don’t you get a skill, some motivation and a work history? I made minimum wage (at the time, it was $3.375) for exactly six weeks if my life. If you’re making minimum wage, you have no skills and no motivation. Wealth is earned, not redistributed. What the CEO of a company makes has no bearing on what your skills are worth to your employer.

  • Anon

    *To all the people that are saying product costs increase in proportion to labor cost* You are wrong. Labor cost are only a portion of the total product costs. Product costs would only grow in proportion to labor costs if EVERY SINGLE job was a minimum wage job. As it is now, if we doubled minimum wage every other non-minimum wage job would not pay twice as much…

  • Matt Harris

    Raising the minimum wage to $21 would absolutely destroy job creation and probably double or triple the unemployment rate. Terrible idea.

    • JPSnoopington

      Sal is thinking way too small. Why not make it $100 an hour? Isn’t that the lower end of baseball and football player salaries? We’re all entitled to that. Just like we’re entitled to 100% unemployment. Don’t worry, Obama will take care of us!

  • Envirobob

    We need to keep minimum wage low to reduce our environmental impact. If we let minimum wage rage people will have have more money to spend which will drive up consumption which will ultimately increase environmental degradation. Keep wages low means less consumption, less ability to provide for families which will in turn cause a reduced birth rate, which will in turn eventually result in a population decrease which will ultimately save our planet. In summary: low wage = save mother earth

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